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And despite the description of the woman who ran the study, it sadly wasnt me. But I’m accepting study funding and applicants day and night (and you know I have the outfit). O — and hey, women LIKE PORN, we want it, and it does the job, thanks, (fer crissakes, I’ve only been telling the world for ten years). Read the astonishingly lamely named What Women Want about the mechanics and results of a legit porn study (NYT), snip:
(…) While the subjects watched on a computer screen, Chivers, who favors high boots and fashionable rectangular glasses, measured their arousal in two ways, objectively and subjectively. The participants sat in a brown leatherette La-Z-Boy chair in her small lab at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health, a prestigious psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with the University of Toronto, where Chivers was a postdoctoral fellow and where I first talked with her about her research a few years ago. The genitals of the volunteers were connected to plethysmographs — for the men, an apparatus that fits over the penis and gauges its swelling; for the women, a little plastic probe that sits in the vagina and, by bouncing light off the vaginal walls, measures genital blood flow. An engorgement of blood spurs a lubricating process called vaginal transudation: the seeping of moisture through the walls. The participants were also given a keypad so that they could rate how aroused they felt.
The men, on average, responded genitally in what Chivers terms “category specific” ways. Males who identified themselves as straight swelled while gazing at heterosexual or lesbian sex and while watching the masturbating and exercising women. They were mostly unmoved when the screen displayed only men. Gay males were aroused in the opposite categorical pattern. Any expectation that the animal sex would speak to something primitive within the men seemed to be mistaken; neither straights nor gays were stirred by the bonobos. And for the male participants, the subjective ratings on the keypad matched the readings of the plethysmograph. The men’s minds and genitals were in agreement.
All was different with the women. No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, they showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly — and markedly, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes except the footage of the ambling, strapping man — as they watched the apes. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. The readings from the plethysmograph and the keypad weren’t in much accord. (…read more, nytimes.com, thanks Praemedia!)
Update: A couple of commenters are taking me to task for my opinions about the way I feel the NYT piece was significant for a few reasons, but lacking and tiresomely problematic in regard to understanding female sexuality for *many* other reasons. I’m not sure how my words above are being interpreted, and I do enjoy being disagreed with (especially because you’re being constructive, articulate and cool about it). But to try and clear up why I wrote what I did and how I’m feeling about the piece, I’ll let Mind Hacks and Neuroanthropology do some explaining, as it looks like they feel the same way I do about the NYT piece and have excellent write-ups on it. From Mind Hacks – Corseting Female Desire:
(…) It does a great job of discussing the often surprising results of recent scientific studies but a commentary on Neuroanthropology really nails why it misses the mark.
The whole article is pitched to support that old tired cliché of sexuality that ‘women are complicated, men are simple’ and it uses the differences in research findings to suggest women are enigmatic, complex, they don’t know what they want, or are torn by competing sexual desires.
But this is largely because the scientific studies have looked at specific research questions that don’t relate to ‘what do women want?’ line, as if this is a question that could actually be answered.
Neuroanthropology uses a great analogy that demonstrates why this is just bad spin:
One can imagine an article with the title, ‘What do diners want?’, which bemoaned the fickleness and impenetrable complexity of culinary preferences: Sometimes they want steak, and sometimes just a salad. Sometimes they put extra salt on the meal, and sometimes they ask for ketchup. One orders fish, another chicken, another ham and eggs.
One day a guy ordered tuna fish salad on rye, and the next, the same guy ordered a tandoori chicken wrap, hold the onions! My God, man, they’re insane! Who can ever come up with a unified theory of food preferences?! Food preferences are a giant forest, too complex for comprehension. What do diners want?!
You get my drift. The line of questioning is rhetorically time-tested (can we say clichéd even?) but objectively and empirically nonsensical. So many of these experiments seem to be testing a series of different, related, but ultimately distinct questions.
Can they all be glossed as, ‘What do women want?’ Yeah, sort of, but you’re going to get a hopeless answer.
Rather ironically, the NYT article celebrates the complexity of female sexuality but ultimately suggests that it’s the one-dimensional question that’s important when this is nothing but a caricature of human nature. (…read more, mindhacks.com)
I was just excited to see an article where they finally described the technical means used in these arousal studies. And I thought the title was not only a bad Freudian sign going in, but some pretty shameless linkbait. Not that I have high hopes of ever seeing an unbiased, sex-positive, non-judgmental article called, “What Do Men Want?” in the NYT anytime soon… Because that’s supposed to be obvious. Right?
FYI: the CAMH and plethysmographs have been discredited. See http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/plethysmograph.html and http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/clarke-institute.html
In a semi-unrelated note..
Back in the 50s/60s the RCMP were using a “fruit machine” much in the same way (physically) to try to weed out homoesexuals from serving in the police force and civil service.
They’d strap in a chair, show them gay porn and monitored them to try to detect a sexual response.
Seriously!
what do women want..
It’s like ice cream, most of the time it is the same delicious pleasure, a pleasure that you are familiar with, that you know, a pleasure that you even crave at times….. but every now and then, you want something different bolder more… craven, decandent…and you lick your lips well in anticipation of the new treat that beholds you…
Still can’t get past the irony of the researcher’s obvious misconception about the ‘primitive’ (as she refers to it) nature of male sex drive when she erroneously assumes that the men could be turned on by the bonobo fuck. What an over-educated nitwit.
Listen, this is going to sound blasphemous and all but if you are thirty years old with a pussy and you still don’t have a clue what you want from the space between your legs I am not sure your prospective partners should really give a shit either, particularly since you are the ultimate educator of what you want and need.
Call this complex and complicated all day long. I call this a self-knowledge famine which borders on oblivious stupidity.
A woman who knows what she wants and doesn’t fear the social backlash of asserting her sexuality is an emotional genius among her peers.
Beyond the intentionally-provocative and attention-grabbing title, there’s material that could either be condensed into three separate, coherent articles, or expanded into a single fascinating book. Unfortunately, the author tried to tie it all together under one not-really-relevant question, and that’s where it falls apart.
The purely scientific aspect of it however, is fascinating, and poses some genuinely compelling follow-up questions. Thanks for posting the link, Violet. I would have missed it otherwise.
“Bonobos are just the most awesome horny little monkeys, aren’t they?”
The absence of a tail suggests Bonobos are the most awesome horny little apes.
Brian and cat — thank you so much for your comments. it’s really helpful to me to get feedback like this, and I deeply appreciate it. it’s making for excellent discussion around here, and I don’t totally disagree with you — in fact, cat expanded on what I liked about the piece, and Brian highlighted that we need more understanding about drive and desire (and when brain and body are not in accord, it’s even more interesting). but, being me, I don’t totally agree either, so I just did an update to this post that might help explain where I’m coming from. let me know if this all makes sense. and Bonobos are just the most awesome horny little monkeys, aren’t they?
R — seriously, who are these engineers? I want their jobs! or at least to interview them… :)
First of all I have a lot of respect and admiration of your blog Ms. Blue. I enjoy it quite a bit. But I have to disagree with you on the assessment of the NY Times magazine article. I thought it had some great information in it most notably how much is not known about what drives sexual desire in women. And for what it’s worth, I never knew anything about bonobo apes (still not sure how to pronounce the word).
“women LIKE PORN, we want it, and it does the job, thanks”
… i hate to say this, but did you read the whole article? this *isn’t* just about what arouses women physically, but what women consider mentally arousing as well. about the fact that there is a distinction between these two things in women, whereas men report arousal and exhibit arousal at the same time.
i’m not saying that women don’t like porn, because quite obviously, women do, and, as the article indicates, woman like a wider variety of it (according to our physical reactions). i’m just saying that to indicate that this article is only about porn is very misleading. it’s about the fundamentals of sex, where the lines of physical and psychological desire meet. it’s a comfortingly analytical look at the fact that how women feel emotionally and react physically aren’t always in accord. it’s nice to know that there are scientist out there trying to figure out why this is. that it isn’t all “just imagination” on the part of women that they aren’t feeling desire.
porn is wonderful, and helps get the sensitive bits lubricated most of the time, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that one *feels* desire. we need to recognize that most of us are lucky if looking at sexy things makes us feel sexy, because for many people, it isn’t that easy.
Whenever I read stories like this, I think of the engineer who was tasked with designing these devices, and how he or she described their job to friends and family. And, for that matter, how they phrased it on their resume. “2008: Built cock guages” may get your resume posted on the WTF? bulletin board in the HR office, but it probably won’t get you interviews.